4 Seasons Hotel

jahosifatz · Posted: Thu Mar 01, 2007 6:04 pm Post subject: 4 Seasons Hotel

Have you all heard of this? Absolutely horrible.

daveypoo · Posted: Fri Mar 02, 2007 4:01 am Post subject:

It's going to be on the outskirts of the property, not actually ON property. They are going to convert the Ospry Ridge Golf Course to the 4 Seasons.

Why is this horrible?
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Disney3xJC · Posted: Fri Mar 02, 2007 4:25 am Post subject:

Is there a story attached to this that I'm missing? I haven't heard anything about this yet. What's the deal?
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jahosifatz · Posted: Fri Mar 02, 2007 4:30 am Post subject:

Ospry Ridge and Eagle Pine will both be absorbed by 4 Seasons, and that is right behind Ft. Wilderness. There is something else going up on the Western side as well. Whatever happened to Disney making their own hotels? If I wanted such diversity, I'd go to Vegas.

Here's the story:
http://www.businessweek.com/ap/financialnews/D8NJI7300.htm

daveypoo · Posted: Fri Mar 02, 2007 6:58 am Post subject:

Here's the article from The Orlando Sentinel
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onecutemoose · Posted: Fri Mar 02, 2007 1:22 pm Post subject:

Hmmm....I've been thinking on this a little and i guess that it can easily be seent that Disney is working on some of their own resort hotels and putting a lot into DVC right now. If they need more rooms...I'd rather see them contract out some (within their good neighbor guidelines) and put in 100% when another resort hotel is built.

I dunno...it would be gret if it could be all disney all the time...but I'd also expect that level of quality. that requires a little bit-o-cash.

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WDWFan · Pilot Joined: Mar 01, 2006 Posts: 10863

I can't get the link to open... Is this on the WDW property or outside the Disney property?

jahosifatz · Posted: Sat Mar 03, 2007 7:06 am Post subject:

It's all going to be on Disney property. If you can't open the above links, just google Disney and 4 Seasons. That should bring you to an article.

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Based on that, I'd say I'm against. The land was bought for Disney to develop. Not to parcel off to the highest bidder.

I also question the business model of allowing competitors closer to your source.

aprildecember · Posted: Sat Mar 03, 2007 11:31 am Post subject:

i don't think it has to be that bad...according to what i read, this would be a *golf* resort, so i'm assuming the 'green' qualities of the area will remain pretty much intact.

jahosifatz · Posted: Sat Mar 03, 2007 12:06 pm Post subject:

My problem exists on many levels:

a) Eagle Pines and Osprey Ridge are two fantastic old school courses. To make these 4 Season's course will no doubt crowd them and raise the already high greens fees.

b) There is absolutely no reason Disney needs to let chained hotels come in. It just illustrates that Disney is not concerned with retaining any credabilty it has with regards to being a creative front runner in resort design.

onecutemoose · Posted: Sat Mar 03, 2007 2:01 pm Post subject:

jahosifatz · Posted: Sat Mar 03, 2007 2:11 pm Post subject:

My understanding is the4 Seasons will be owning Osprey Ridge and building another course. You honestly think that 4 Seasons golf is going to cost the same as Disney? I wish that was the truth, but I highly doubt it.

By the by I am all for more golf courses at Disney, they are quite packed these days, however I am completely against the institution of outside chains being situated among Disney property. Although Disney is quite the master of licensing its name and growing partnerships with other companies, I feel this just another step in separating the rich (Grand Floridian, Wilderness Lodge), and the not so rich (All-Stars, Pop Centuries). I don't mean to offend anyone that reads this, but you have to see a little bit what I am talking about.

fireurgunz · Posted: Sun Mar 04, 2007 3:50 pm Post subject:

I agree it takes away Disney's own products or Disney owned hotels, but remember, isn't the WDW Swan and Dolphin not owned by Disney?
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jahosifatz · Posted: Sun Mar 04, 2007 4:36 pm Post subject:

Yes, Swan and Dolphan are now owned by Starwood. It's a shame those hotels were built as they ruined Epcot's skyline. It just seems to me, the magic is slowly being strangled out of Disney World. Orlando's becoming the new Branson, anchored by Disney's poor decisions.